The 9.12 Project – We Surround Them

Today more than ever, people are concerned and worried about their country and the direction it is headed, but they just simply don’t know what to do or where to go.

With set values and principles that have led this country from day one, have departed from the unity that has bonded this nation together.

Today, and with this project – The 9.12 Project – We Surround Them! We the people! The same people that care for, and love this country are uniting once again and in record numbers. So . . .



61 Responses to The 9.12 Project – We Surround Them

  1. To Glenn Beck:

    I Love you friend.

    If your going to speak “God” you must define who you are speaking about.

    John 3:16 speaks about God sending His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believes ‘in Him’ shall not perish but will have Eternal Life.

    Say God’s only Begotten Son’s name: “Jesus Christ”. We are not alone because “Jesus Christ” has promised us who can only fulfill His Promises – He is The Lord and Saviour and it is not any other.

  2. Also to Glenn Beck:

    For such a time as this, we dare not be unclear. America does not have a chance without the Lord Jesus Christ. Benjamin Franklin, who acknowledged that God governs in the affairs of men, also said, “If a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without the Father’s notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have it in the Sacred Scriptures, sir, that unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.” No, it’s not “PC” to give our God glory, but it’s the right thing to do, and ultimately, the only way to secure the blessings of our God. May our God, the Lord Jesus Christ, truly bless America, as we determine to bless His name.

  3. There are many views of God. To unite us at this time we must not promote one view over another. This is not the time for division, but to realize that we all pray to the same God in different ways. Not to understand this actually promotes division. Judge not.
    Ken LaRive

  4. Good post Dan. I like Beck’s premises. It’s ashame the media will make him out to be a religious zealot at the mere mentioning of God. And a bunker dwelling separatist for even thinking the Founding Fathers might have been on to something. This country is going down the tubes, QUICK!

  5. To Glenn Beck:

    I really appreciate what you are doing. I hope and pray that we as a
    people will band together and take our country back. It almost doesnt feel like America anymore. We have to do something before it is too late to stop the current trend in Washington. I just want you to know that you have my full support.

  6. Jesus Christ (a Jew no less) is the Lord. Not Mohamed or Buddha or any other “prophet”. Sorry to offend but he is telling the truth.
    The original writers of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were from different denominations but they were all from a Judeo-Christians heritage. I am sorry if this truth offends anyone.

  7. I am learning about the American Constitution right now in middle school. If you look at the federalist papers and the constitution and everything that our founding fathers said, our political leaders right now are not being anything like that. It makes me angry at how our country is doing right now. But God will help us and be here for us in our time of need. Glenn, I appreciate everything you are doing. Your a great man and keep up the good work.

  8. Nana,
    I think the point is that we should all attempt to find common ground. I always thought that America welcomed every religion. We should try very hard not to belittle others or divide our country by religious faith. If we are going to unite as one, we must respect each other. So long as one does not step on another, live and let live…
    Ken LaRive (I fear not to hide my name)

  9. The Common Ground that we all share is that God has placed an inherent value on each of our lives, as aptly stated in our Declaration of Independence that “all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” Where does such a claim find its absolute authority? In the value statement derived from the Bible that affirms that “God SO loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son” (John 3:16). That is the FOUNDATION of our value system that looks to God rather than government to define our worth.

  10. Whew! I thought that the “silent majority” had become literally SILENT! Please acknowledge which God is being presented. It must be the God of ALL Creation, THE Lord Christ Jesus. For He is the ONE and only True God, and beside Him there is none other. Those who do not accept the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as the One God, are not worshiping the Same God described in the Word of God. It is not me who is offending you, it is you who are offending THE ONE TRUE GOD of the Bible.

  11. There is only ONE GOD. He is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
    Please offer Him His correct Title, and define the God of Whom we worship. The word “God” simply is not up to par, unless He is defined.

  12. Let us who know, speak and let us who hear, listen and understand each other. Certainly there are different views on religion but if one falls they all fall. I am 72 years old and I have never been afraid for our county like I am now and it has nothing to do with influence from anyone, I have been watching for some months now and my heart is in a turmoil from the fear of what is happening to us as a country. I hope we can turn this around. The economy is one thing but our beliefs and way of life is much more important. May God look up on us with favor.

  13. To Glen Beck:

    It is so refreshing to see someone in the media expressing deep feelings about our God and our Nation. I also believe that God,family,and nation needs to come together. Thanks for reminding Americans that We The People Are Not Alone.

  14. See here Brother and hall…
    Men like you two are a part of the problem, not only in America, but the world. Your ego, you fanatics, your blind faith, separates us all. Our founding fathers were mostly Deists. You should study what that means. Values came to us from many directions, from the Old Testament to the New and the wide varieties that quoted and interpreted them differently, from the Great White Father of the indigenous Indians, the Chinese, and Roman and Greek Law. Surely the bible had a hand in the original concepts, but the way you slam your faith down someone’s throat does not seem right, or positive. Intolerance is what I read from you, and that is not Christian, nor American. War, division, is what you propose, always at each other’s throats, and you weaken all who want to coexist in peace.
    Try Love Brother,
    Ken LaRive

  15. I can certainly appreciate your fear, Mona. I have four grandchildren myself, and it is a fearful thing to ponder the moral confusion to which they are being introduced in our day. We have been sowing the seeds of atheism by the godless, empirically unsound dogma of evolution for decades now, so that humanism has by default filled the void. The fact is, the Lord Jesus Christ has virtually blown every competing idea about “God” out of the water by fulfilling the exact prophecies that uniquely identify Him as the singular Savior of the world, and then topping it off by vacating the tomb on the third day as He promised, in spite of the the religious, academic, and governmental attack machines arrayed against Him. This is not about religion. This is about the moral Reality that refused to remain in heaven, marking His unmistakable presense in our world with such an impact that we date our calendar by His advent. If we forget Him, there is no homeland security program that will ever compensate for our arrogant, ungrateful apathy. We are without excuse (Romans 1:20). The God of the Bible, the one and only true God, has given us but one path of escape as a nation: “If My people which are called by My name shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, THEN will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins, and will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:14).

  16. Dear Ken LaRive,

    Who is His (God’s) only begotten Son’s name?

    The Truth does not divide believers it makes us One. It is a lie which divides. But it is The Truth which will separate believers from false brethren.

    So which one are you – divided from those who believe and “know” God’s only Begotten Son “is” Jesus Christ?

    Or are you a false brethren? (2 Cor. 11:26, Gal. 2:4)

  17. Brother David Hall,

    You surely are Born Again by the Holy Spirit of God.

    God bless you and Godspeed.

    Love in Christ Jesus – God’s Only Begotten Son,

  18. Any Born-Again Christian knows that the ‘common-ground’ word is a false gospel.

    There is no common-ground with unbelievers. The only thing believers have in common is having new Life in God’s Only Begotten Son whom He sent not to condemn the world, but that through Him (Jesus Christ – God’s Only Begotten Son – John 3:16) the world might be saved. Any other gosepl, such as the post-modern gospel of ‘common-ground’ will save no one – it is not of God but it is Humanism.

    Ken and others who are not abiding in John 3:16 here, repent and believe the Goodnews that God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believes ‘in Him’ shall not perish but shall have Eternal Life.

    In Love,

  19. One-Lamb,

    The Truth does indeed unify, as well as divide, sister (John 1:12,13). I really appreciate the clear way that you lift up the name of our beloved Savior. At the same time, I understand Ken’s frustration and anger. He is accustomed to a larger community surrounding him that echoes the same invectives at people like you and me who have the audacity to fellowship in the truth that makes us free without apologizing for it. The days surely approaching when our Lord shall return as promised (John 14:1-6), and then every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:10,11). Until that day, He is STILL Lord, regardless of who refuses to acknowledge it (Romans 3:3). Eternity is a long time to regret getting this one wrong. You and I are not forcing eternity on anyone, our God is. It’s time to tell it like it is. That is surely the most loving thing we can do at such a time as this.

  20. David Hall,

    The world is telling Christian’s to ‘live’ what they believe, but when we are, with our conscience Fearing The One True God of the Bible and no other gospel we will not bow down to, the world does not like it. They never will. The world really wants you to live ‘as they live’ in a way they understand (flesh). But the world will never see Jesus except they be Born-Again, nor Him in us, nor will they understand we are living what we believe in front of them because Jesus is our Life. The world is speaking double-mindedness until the Father draws some of them to the True Savior of the world (as He did us when we were of the world and dead in our trespasses and sins) Who (The Father God) sent His only begotten Son not to condemn the world but that the world might be saved through His Son (Jesus Christ the Lord).

    God bless you David for your love and keep walking in kindness as you are doing toward those who are without. God knows how to save them – we are only called to keep preaching and teaching God’s Word.

    For God truly knows who are His and His truly knows Whom’s they are. Jesus is Lord to the Glory of God The Father which makes us One united in His Love.

    Jesus Christ is our *clear way* and Only Way to communicate the best thing we could ever witness of: The Truth (Jesus Christ) spoken in love because of the blood of the Lamb loving not our lives even unto the death which overcomes Satan who is the accuser of *The Brethren*.

    May God be true and every man (of the flesh) a liar.

    Those who are wicked let be wicked still and those who are righteous let them be righteous still.

    We are in days now that we will remain walking humbly before God first and before man second which is not a false humility but humility is speaking The Truth of God’s Word, not man’s false gospel, so that some might be saved as God Wills as they begin believing and placing their trust in Jesus Christ God’s Only Begotten Son.

    God bless you (again) richly beloved David and all here who call upon The Lord Jesus Christ from a pure heart fleeing everything else which corrupts. (2 Tim. 2:22)

    Grateful in Christ Jesus,

  21. Quote:

    “The God of the Bible, the one and only true God, has given us but one path of escape as a nation: “If My people which are called by My name shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, THEN will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins, and will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:14).”

    God bless you David for this quote of yours. We best surround the world with God’s Word so that some might be saved. It is about Jesus Christ and what He says is what we “must” surround the world with. We judge in right conscience that all men ‘ought’ to hear The True Word’s of God so that some might hear, repent, believe and obey though they too (at that time) will be rejected by the world they just had gotten delivered from.

    God bless you David and all here who await the Lord Jesus Christ’s Return.

  22. David,

    Man is not basically good, they are wicked and not good there is none good but God!!!

    But Jesus Is Lord – to God be The Glory where no flesh can boast.

    God bless you David Hall – Rejoice in the Lord always and again I say rejoice.

    Casting pearls before you o' saint David: —-> Please beware and avoid the dialectic process (What do you think, how do you feel?) which is now Global and in all the false churches:

    Diaprax: the dialectic process and praxis: ((MP3))

    The Dialectic process is what is happening everywhere, it is so deceptive and of stubbornness.

    Love your sister in The Lord Jesus,

  23. David,

    You have a nice blogger, I’ve given you a few comments.

    God bless you richly in Jesus Name.

    Keep showing yourself approved unto God, not man.


  24. Quote: “In the value statement derived from the Bible that affirms that “God SO loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son” (John 3:16). That is the FOUNDATION of our value system that looks to God rather than government to define our worth.” By David Hall


    It is not only Gov’t. who are defining The Church but those who have fallen away from The Truth who have joined with the world.

    Mostly what these fallen away people believers (now unbelievers) are no longer speaking as if they are abiding in The Word of God (because they are not) but they are spewing out the culture buzz words – Philosophy and vain deceit which is all Humanism such as words like:

    1. Common Ground
    2. Community
    3. I think…
    4. I feel…
    5. Challenge
    6. Change
    7. Conversation
    8. It seems to be….
    9. Diversity in unity
    10. small groups
    11. What Do You Think?
    12. Let’s come together!
    13. Our Purpose
    14. We
    15. Leadership
    16. Compromise
    17. Your Potential
    18. Transformation
    19. We must dialogue
    20. Tolerance
    21. Relationships
    22. Paradigm Shift

    The Demonic is behind all these words which make up many doctrines of demons which Paul warned us of by the Holy Spirit of The Almighty God of The Bible who sent His Only Begotten Son – Jesus Christ.

    This same language structure (buzz words – a flood of water from Satan’s mouth) is destroying the whole world beginning with the economy which God is Judging through His Wrath.

    And God is separating His People from the world and the stubborn hearts of the world who can only see what ‘they think’ and what ‘they feel’.

    So dealy beloved of the world stop the ‘dialogue’ for you are pointing to yourself and not to God’s Only Begotten Son of God of The Holy Bible. Please repent, stop the justifying, believe the Goodnews and obey God’s Holy Word.

    Spoken in Love in Christ Jesus – The Word of God who came in the flesh and who is coming again to make war with all flesh (the stubborn at heart),

  25. I am disgusted with this thread. God says, first and foremost, “Love me.” If you love God you don’t sit around and decide which of His children get to live in the house. The second thing He says is “Love your neighbor.” Not “judge your neighbor”, not “pick at your neighbor”. Not even “Love your neighbor if…”. God trusts us enough to find our way to Him, and in my experience, the people who represent God in this thread are the people who got in my way more than anything.
    Stop slamming the rest of us with your views and go search your own heart in truth. After all, you, too, are only human.
    We’ve got enough to do without spilling hatred in the name of love – again. I believe God would be ashamed.

  26. When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  27. Thank you to all who have commented. Please continue to openly discuss these things, and come back often as we will discuss these very issues – the 9 and the 12 – in a more intimate sense.

    Thanks again.

  28. Dear Glenn, and all,

    I see the snake represents the possibility of unity, and the severed disconnection we have when one group tries to overwhelm another. I do not see Church and State to be the essence of what this country was built upon, but that every man have respect for his neighbor. So long as one does not infringe on the rights and liberty of another to seek and pursue his singular dream and faith, let him alone.

    There are many issues to discuss in this time of trial, and we should address them with some form of ultimate Truth such as the concept of unselfish Love. Agape’ Love, as studied in Situational Ethics, to me seems universal. To coexist, we must have faith that together we can overcome those who wish to tread on us, and this is done in many ways, from mind control,false and bogus information, denied liberty and free speech, and many others…

    In order to do this we must try to put aside our differences, and work together for a common cause. I am a Libertarian Republican, and yet can find few who understand that concept. I’m looking to make America great again, and bickering over one depiction of God over another is not fruitful, on the contrary, it is divisional.


    Ken La Rive

  29. Hi Ken,

    I agree with a lot of what you are saying. My definition of “God” is probably much different than most people here. I see God in the smile that two people share and the devil in the walls that we put up between us. My brother and his wife are born again Christians. We could easily have a difficult relationship because our ideas about God are so vastly different. I think my family maintained a good relationship because we accepted each other and didn’t engage in religious discussions. My brother got past the need for it pretty soon after realizing he wasn’t getting an opposing arguement. What got me through at the beginning was a simple mantra “Breathe in, Breathe out…..move on” Preferably with a smile on your face.

    Have a great day!


  30. So lets get started!

    That’s part of American greatness, is discrimination. Yes sir. Inequality, I think, breeds freedom and gives a man opportunity.
    Lester Maddox, New York Times, Nov. 6, 1966

    Of equality-As if it harm’d me, giving others the same chances and rights as myself- As if it were not indispensable to my own rights that others possess the same.
    Walt Whitman in Thought

    The Law of God, which we call the moral law, must alone be the scope, and rule, and end of all laws.
    John Calvin in Institutes of Christian Religion

    Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated.Judicial decree may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless.
    Martin Luther King, Jr., in Strength to Love

    Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics.
    John Adams in letter to Mary Warren, April 16, 1776

    Each of us should lay aside all other learning, to study only how to discover one who can give him knowledge enabling him to distinguish the good life from the evil.
    Plato in The Republic

  31. I believe in what Glenn Beck is saying is happening to our country but this is not just a Christian project. Lets consentrate on how we can stop Obama or at least stop Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. One way is to vote Republican in 2010, another is to work to get Nancy and Harry voted out of Congress and Senate in their home state. But right now each and every one of us should be calling the White House our Senators and Congressmen and tell them we will not let them get away with what they are doing to America. Tell them we will all fight against their re-election and that we are watching to make sure that if they use their office or personal gain we will see legal action against them.

  32. I know this might be hard for some folks to do, but if we all took a week and went to DC and demanded that our representatives go home and give them their pink-slip or they could start really working for the people in our great country. Our beloved country does not belong to the people on capital hill and it does not belong to the man in the White House! The first thing we need to do away with is our tax system! We are being be raped by our tax system! Everyone please listen! Even if you don’t make enough money to be taxed up front (paycheck) you still pay taxes on everthing you buy! They are relentless on Capital Hill! Our tax system has to change in America or WE THE PEOPLE are doomed!

  33. Abraham Lincoln said: “We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of heaven. We have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We nhave forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superio wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God who made us” (March 30, 1863). I certainly know that this sounds like a divisive statement, but it laid the foundation for our recovery from our Civil War strife, and set the tone for humility before God. I am thankful that Glenn Beck has included in his priniciples: “I believe in God, and He is the center of my life.” Friends, this is a KEYSTONE principle with cause and effect consequences. “Judge not that you be not judged” does not mean that we may cast away discernment without consequences. It does not mean that God looks the other way when we teach our children in school that the God of the Scriptures is a myth, having been ruled out by the “science” of evolution. It does not mean that we can shed the blood of innocent babies and God is indifferent. Remember that our Lord Himself also said to “Judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24). Tolerating one another’s views and honoring their right to express them does not mean that we should cast away the moral principles that made this nation great. This, above all, will result in our doom.

  34. Do those that feel that absolute need to turn this into an “Evangelicals only” club realize how many conservative and otherwise traditional Americans they leave out by engaging in that divisive discussion? Do you really think we can do anything if we cannot drop the “Christ only” rhetoric. Glenn has been very clear, this is the general, describe-Him-in-your-own- way-“God”- to make this movement inclusive of Jews, Muslims, Christians, et al. It is also why he also said you only have to embrace 7 of the 9 principles. I can cede there are probably even some darn fine aethiests in our midst, too. What the specifics of what someone believes does not affect you or me when it means we hold each other back by bickering over this minutiae. Salvation is an individual project- no group scoring in the afterlife. However, the country is going to go to Hell in a hand basket if you don’t stop judging who can or cannot be a part of the party!!!!! STOP IT!

  35. Your demand to “STOP IT!” I suppose, may be interpreted as “your politically incorrect view is not welcome in the company of the socially and intellectually elite.” And I suppose it was a disappointment to hear Glenn Beck reemphasize the essentiality of the principle of trusting God on His 3/13/09 program. And it must have been especially disconcerting to many to hear him say earlier in the week that he reads the Scriptures to his children every night. The fact is, we have been hearing your mandated “STOP IT” too long now, and have given too much ground to the immoral and amoral fruit that has arisen because of our compromise with your arrogant demand. Benjamin Franklin said i March of 1778 that “whoever shall introduce into public affairs the principles of primitive Christianity will change the face of the world.” Go ahead and have your say, but I, with many others, are frankly tired of being shouted down by the compromising elite. God is still at the center of this nation’s blessing and success, and its failure shall be symptomatic of our exclusion of Him as one of the “disposable” priniciples.

  36. Brother David, As a matter of fact, I share Glenn's faith. I am deeply religious, but I also see how clinging so desperately to one religion or the other excludes many others in a movement to take back this country. Are you upset that by Glenn saying "this is not about religion" that he also includes Jews & Muslims that share a belief in God, though with out Christ, as you & I believe? I don't need a Christian- Evangelical card check to allow people to take back my country. You?

  37. By the by, Franklin may have indeed had reverence for Christ, but he was not an avowed Christian. He was a DEIST… He believed in God. And I’m OK with that. Nothing elitist about it, but if you are going to exclude everyone that doesn’t agree “EXACTLY AS YOU,” your work crew is going to be awfully small. And I don’t know about yo, but we need all the help we can get!

  38. Thank you, MM, for the tone of your response. I certainly do believe that we can be cordial at the this table of discussion, while recognizing that moral principles are the effect of a Moral Cause. They are not born in a vacuum. And yes, others may espouse those beneficial principles without acknowledging the Fountain from which they flow, and thus enlarge the “work crew.” Benjamin Franklin is a good example. Whatever his convictions were early in his life, the effect of God’s blessing changed him into a man who held tenatiously to the Bible as the Book that had the answer to our fledgling nation’s hope. He was 81 years old when he rebuked the Constitutional Convention for not looking to God in prayer, saying, “And now do we thing that we do not need this Powerful Friend? The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see that God governs in the affairs of men; and if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without the Father’s notice,is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?” He then went on to cite Psalm 127, stating that “Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.” Does this sound like the voice of a “deist” to you? As for Glenn Beck’s statement that this is not about religion, I heartily concur! The historical reality of Christ is not a religious dogma, it is the bedrock of verifiable fact. What makes you think then, that we can just “take this country back” without acknowledging “this Powerful Friend” every step of the way? Yes, let’s enlarge the work crew, and tolerate the views of others, but not at the expense of tamping down the essentiality of looking to the Lord who has blessed and prospered our Land, who Himself has said, “without Me ye can do nothing” (John 15:15).

  39. A Libertarian Conservative Republican speaks to America’s sons and daughters…

    I can only imagine what a guy like me today must have thought seeing me in 1972. I wore patched jeans, hair to my shoulders, with a mint green paisley shirt. I seldom wore shoes. I rebelled from my Vietnam experience and became a true “liberal-tree-hugger,” saving the world. With ZPG we tried to get California law to mandate sterilization of women, based on rat studies. I carried in my pocket books like “1984,” “Utopia,” and “The Hobbit,” and studied at San Diego City College where my teachers accepted me with designs of molding me into their own image.

    I changed almost overnight by several books: “The Federalist Papers 1787-88” and a book by an old guy named Plato, called “The Republic.” I couldn’t put them down, in fact, with them still swimming in my virgin mind, I read the Constitution. I was then introduced to “Crime and Punishment” and “Pride and Prejudice,” from a long forgotten history teacher who tried to explain that we can not know where we are going without knowing where we have come, and that to understand Truth in history one must read the accounts of both winners and losers. As I look around today, I see her point.

    Life experiences have brought me to the realization that I am a Moralist Situational-Christian, a Libertarian Conservative Republican, and I have lived my life according to those mores and values. For instance, I believe in small by-the-people government, individual and civic responsibility, a free press, low taxes, a strong military that “speaks softly but carries a big stick”, local authority as opposed to Federal authority, justice based on the values of the ten commandments, yet the emphatic separation of Church and State, family values but the recognition and respect of the differences in good people who also respect me, Democracy and Capitalism as opposed to Nationalism and Socialism, and our original Constitution which binds us as one.

    Though I can find no true Libertarian Republican but Ron Paul these days, I am sure there are others I am not aware of. When I listen to his speeches I must admit that I don’t always understand them, but upon reflection I see his point, and they reverberate to both my intellect and soul.

    At no other time have I felt more uncomfortable about the world as I do now, but most likely that old man looking at me so long ago felt the same way. I hope that you young folks can overcome the propaganda hooks that pull you, and that you can stand above the hype and study the hard-won knowledge our Founding Fathers based and set our country upon. You will see that they are talking directly to you, our American sons and daughters, and you will find comfort and direction there.

    It must be unsettling to hear present-day authority figures promoting change for the sake of change. I assure you, in all of my readings, not one true leader has ever promoted that.

  40. Pointless discussion on this thread. I agree with Ken, Jimelle and Cindy, and several other anonymous posters. Zealots will not help this movement grow, only quash it with “Card Check” requirements for membership. Such a shame. There are millions that would like to be in the tent, but I guess they’ll be segregated out side…And as Glenn is a LDS Christian (Mormon), he’ll be out there with the rest of us trying to create something good, while everyone inside argues theology. No wonder the liberals are growing in power and the conservatives are shrinking. We fight so much among ourselves, we can hardly decide what to bring to the church pot luck, let alone how to retake the country.

    I am disgusted with the concept of “tolerance” that the left has created- “I let you live, now I’m going to do whatever I want, and you’re just going to have to tolerate it!” HOWEVER, the right has demonized tolerance as being a compromise of all their values. Our beloved and revered Constitution represents a huge compromise and required much tolerance, yet we can’t get beyond a definition of God that has no bearing on this movement to retake our country, only bearing on our individual salvation?

    And don’t start on me about accepting Christ as being vital to this country, b/c quite frankly, little lamb, your assertion that “Any Born-Again Christian knows that the ‘common-ground’ word is a false gospel. There is no common-ground with unbelievers,” sounds EXACTLY like the Muslim extremists we are fighting- exactly.

    And David, dear, one does not need to be a Christian to understand the profound and wonderful influence of the Bible on our culture in Ben Franklin’s day. It would be fitting for Ben to pull a quote from Psalms. As a Deist, he would probably appreciate the Old Testament, while still finding value in the New. However, recommending prayer (your quote was intriguing as I have just finished a Franklin bio and read about this admonition to the CC) is not evidence of Christian faith, but merely faith and reverence for the Creator.

    I only found this blog by happenstance today trying to locate the 9.12 site, I won’t likely be back though…at least on this thread, as the blog appears to be bogged down by rhetoric.

  41. Under this present administration, known as the “Dispensation of the Grace of God,” the Apostle of the Gentiles, Paul, states this in Romans 12:18:”If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”

    Query: Is it “possible?”

  42. Dear friend Jack Davis,

    Read verse 12:17 – recompensing evil for evil would be ‘not’ speaking God’s Word – for God’s Word is Ultimately the opposite of evil. And tgo provide things honest in the sight of all men would also be ultimately God’s Word.

    So if you ultimately give out God’s Word to others and they accept it – then yes ‘both’ wil live peaceably with each other, but if they don’t, then there is no peace for the wicked saith The Lord.

    Isa 48:20-22

    20 Go ye forth of Babylon, flee ye from the Chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob.

    21 And they thirsted not when he led them through the deserts: he caused the waters to flow out of the rock for them: he clave the rock also, and the waters gushed out.

    22 There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.

    Stay ultimately with God’s Word and yes in Christ we all shall live peaceably with all men. Remembering that Jesus Christ in a soul ‘is True peace’.

    Love in Christ Jesus,

  43. Jack,

    In short, it’s a matter of knowing who is the chaldeans and who is The Lord God’s servert Jacob.

    Hint: God’s Servant Jacob are the ‘all men’ and they are not ‘the swine and the dog’.

  44. David Hall,

    You said:
    Yes, let’s enlarge the work crew, and tolerate the views of others, but not at the expense of tamping down the essentiality of looking to the Lord who has blessed and prospered our Land, who Himself has said, “without Me ye can do nothing” (John 15:15).

    Yes, ‘but not,…’

    For if we exclude The Only Begotten Son of God – Jesus Christ, there is no honest compassion toward one another and no peace but only a false peace.

    God bless you David.

    In Christ your sister in The Fear of The Lord Jesus,

  45. Daniel S said…

    Thank you to all who have commented. Please continue to openly discuss these things, and come back often as we will discuss these very issues – the 9 and the 12 – in a more intimate sense.

    See folks, they want you to continue to openly discuss because ‘these’ (who are lusting over dialogue) must circumvent the ‘right and wrong’ of God’s Law. And how do they believe they do that by ‘open discussion’ – Dialogue – they must get everyone to ‘practice theory’ to have the false one world order.

    David S. you are following as Glenn is – a false ‘peace and safety’.

    Friend, repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ whom the Father sent to save the world. And there is “not” another ‘word’ to save it. No ‘dialogue’ (words, words, words) will save mankind – the village of mankind will not save, only Jesus Christ and His Blood shed on the Cross has. Be ye converted and be ye saved David S.

    If I do not tell you the truth I shall be a liar like you – I will be speaking the same words as you, but it is The Word of God – God’s Only Begotten Son which saves to the Utter Most; Jesus “Is” LORD, and it is *not* any other person or ‘collective group’.

    In Love,

  46. Hello, sister Connie.

    Sunday is anything but a day of rest for me, but it certainly is a labor of love. I just came home from a day of ministry, where I have the weekly, unbridled privilege of preaching the Gospel. I thank the Lord for the open door to do so, as I urge all who will trust the Lord Jesus to receive Him as Savior. I try to be sensitive to those who are not inclined to do so, realizing that I can do more damage than good by speaking in a way that alienates the ones I am trying to reach. Connie, I have no difficulty understanding why you refuse to give any ground to those who do not carry the banner of Jesus Christ boldly, acknowledging Him as Lord and Savior, bringing Him to the forefront of every conversation, and marginalizing every other issue as unimportant. In the light of eternity that makes perfect sense. We differ somewhat on approach in this respect, sister. While we should not yield any ground that compromises the Gospel, I don’t want to alienate those who are not able to receive the blunt force of the Gospel at this time. There ARE commmon points of interest that I believe you and I have with those who do not share our view of the necessity to receive Christ. We both enjoy the liberty of expressing ourselves in this way without the gestapo-like hammer knocking down our door with their “fairness doctrine” mandate. We can appeal to a large base of people who think it is immoral to kill innocent babies who should have been protected in the process of birth. God HATES the shedding of innocent blood. California surprised the nation when they voted to identify marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Thank the Lord! Glenn Beck is catching a lot of heat for even daring to cite that a belief in God and the centrality of God in our life are principles essential to our success as a nation. I want to support him on that point and have a voice in this forum regarding our national welfare, safeguarding the liberties that our forefathers cemented in place that allow me to impact our world for good. I am mindful of our Savior’s sensitivity when He said, “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now” (John 16:12). I know by telling you these things that I certainly risk alienating you and incurring your displeasure and reproof, but I do believe that I am speaking the truth in love. In humility I only ask that you “consider what I say; and the Lord give you understanding in all things” (2 Timothy 2:7). God bless you.

  47. To All:

    Thanks for your comments and thoughts! Please keep up the discussion as it can only help to educate ourselves to know what our fellow man is.

    To those who want to shut down dialogue:

    Is this not the problem that our country has been faced with? The shutting down of critical thought and public discourse? Shame should fall to you, as you have tried to shut the voice of reason. The fruit of this country is Freedom, and one of those freedoms is free speech. Another, free thought. We have been quited for years – and not just one group of people, but all different directions – and now that everyone is “allowed” to speak up, we must be quiet? No. That is what got us to where we are now. Now, more than ever, we MUST speak up! We must use our freedoms fully, and speak against those who try to quiet them. We are endowed by a Creator, the very freedoms that America represents.

    Learn to walk before you run! Learn to think before you speak!

    Thank you vor visiting.

  48. Dear all,

    I have tried to stimulate a dialogue along many avenues here, but it seems that only an insider group talking about their specific faith base dominates. They see no solutions to be found unless everyone embraces that specific faith, and so leave no quarter but that. Though I see their point, that the lack of morality is the problem, they can’t concede that there are many avenues to the same source of Truth, and that we can coexist. In my experience, little or nothing can be accomplished in this world when one spiritual ideal attempts to reign supreme over another. I am disappointed, but can see no end to this. I will continue to monitor for a time to see if some substance can be found, but my postings seem to fly to the four winds.

    If and when the second coming arrives, it will find me trying to make the world a better place, not sitting on my fat laurels in judgment. Love and respect tempered with understanding is the key to our survival, not what I’m reading here.

    Ken LaRive

  49. It is worse than anyone can imagine.Think things are bad? Think sinister. I’ve recently come across things that scared and saddened me..but feel it’s very important we all know about this. People can decide for their selves whether they chose to believe it or not…please look up the following: “Zietgiest, the movie, final edition, revised”. Also “Project Rex 84, FEMA concentration camps”, and “Chemical trails making people sick” You will find and can watch videos on these on you tube.

  50. Ken, you are absolutely correct. The hope for this thread was not to push one faith over another. But, to rather get a respectfull dialogue going. The problem I see is that TOO many people don’t understand – or either understand but still want to sell their’s – is that we are all endowed by a Divine Providence, and who you choose Him to be is your Right.

    I hope that you will stay around and comment on future topics. I will tell you in advance, that I will soon post about how Faith helped in the Founding of America.

    Again, thanks to all.

  51. David Hall,

    ——I try to be sensitive to those who are not inclined to do so, realizing that I can do more damage than good by speaking in a way that alienates the ones I am trying to reach.

    ——John 3:17-21
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    Dialogue is of the world system.
    God’s way is as Christ Jesus – your preach and teach the gospel, you don’t dialogue it and especially with those who want to join all religions in the ‘dialogue’ when you do that you destroy men’s lives. We are not here to win friends and influence people – it is not about sensitivity-training. It is men’s of love their evil deeds which alienates them from Jesus Christ, it’s easy to turn that around as you did. Repent David Hall you have fallen into the trap of dialogue verses being a Witness and then knowing the God will increase the seed or not. If you want to destroy revelation – you get everyone into dialogue. And that is what this blog and David S. is all about – a facilitator in this new world order. Wake up David Hall, you are dialoguing with false prophets who want ~you to change~. Remember psalm 1 and forget it not. But warn and move on – (dust your feet).

    Preach and teach the Gospel and if they don’t receive you, ‘dust your feet’ and let God sentence.

    I have ‘dusted my feet’ from here.
    Good bye.

  52. Ken, Jesus has already told you this:

    John 8:21-27

    21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

    22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

    23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

    24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

    26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

    27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

    Repent and believe the Gospel or what Jesus ‘hath said’ will come upon you.

    Good bye Ken, I dust my feet from you.

  53. David Hall,

    One more thing this is what The Holy Spirit moved Paul to say when it comes to 2 Tim: 2:7 and it is not what you said. Don’t compromise God’s Word to make it say what you ‘think or feel’ it should say – like Rick Warren does.

    My Father’s Spirit moved Paul to say:

    2 Tim 2:1-7
    2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

    2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

    3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

    4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

    5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

    6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

    7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

  54. David Hall,

    This is what my Father’s Holy Spirit moved Paul to say about verse 7 – and it ‘is not’ what you made it out to be. Your in the world of “I think, I feel, it seems to be, etc.”. Remember God’s Word is not Pschology – it is not of a perverse mind.

    But My Father said:
    2 Tim 2:1-7
    2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.

    2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

    3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

    4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

    5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

    6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

    7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

  55. Dear One-lamb-

    Well, you did it!

    You are indeed the last one standing. I especially liked the part where you dusted your feet on me. Took a lot of Love to say that, and I’m sure it was for my own good. Amazing that you expel all man-made communication and yet you keep layer after layer of comments coming yourself. Is it also God’s word that you alone can hear, that you alone can speek?…to stand between people who want to make this world a better place?

    I have spent a bit of time in India and there is a Hindi thought process similar to yours. It is called MAYA. Simply put, it states that everything in this life is an illusion. You have achieved Nirvana!

    Well, I wish you the best one-lamb. It must be a lonely place for you here on earth having found truth in a world of fools.

    If you can’t connect, you can always just keep talking, and of course dusting your feet on anyone different will open a lot of doors for you too. I’m kidding.

    Blue skies, to see far,

    Ken LaRive

  56. One-lamb,

    I’m sure that the little girl who never made four down the street will have her suffering explained to her when she arrives in heaven. Do you think that Jesus will reunite her with her left leg they had to amputate? Perhaps in spirit only…

    Will it be allowed to communicate with her in heaven? Will it then be okay to take away her pain, her fever, and was it okay in her delirium to ask for her mother? Was it okay to beg her mother to keep her alive? That is a fun memory. What little faith she had! Was it okay to put your arm around them both those last hours, to tell them meaningless nothings in strong word reflections that showed strength, to find the strength to die a noble death? Was it okay to hold her still dimpled hand, even when it turned cold? Should I have dusted my feet on her knowing she would be with Jesus and nothing I could do or say would help? Should I feel guilt when I felt something good deep inside as her crying and screaming finally stopped?

    I look over what you have written and can find no connection to what I see relevant in this life. What we do has meaning, and those who try to make the world a better place has true salvation.

    Jesus will have a special place for you in haven. I think it will resemble something like a cardboard box. I have seen a lot of pain around the world, but nothing is more painful but to have a person like you to say that connections are meaningless.

    If you can’t make the world a better place, get out of the way for those who want to.

    Ken La Rive

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